Detective Mafia - Search for a Clue

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I thought I had done this and I really feel this is the way to go today. vote: Cognac

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Hmph. The fact that Ale is voting for Cognac throws me.

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Oh, heh. I think I figured out Ale's clue for Cognac. Obviously every previously clue included a word in it that had the detectives name. Last night's, I couldn't find one... Until I read it aloud. "Be sure"...

I can see that clue pointing to Sherlock. Problem is With Sake's death, I was sure Ale was Mafia, so now I'm a bit torn. Throwing partner under the bus, or con to get a non participating Townie lynched endgame?

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So this is a detective game, right? Let's deduce.

Me: Copped town on a night the cop was guided. Is a good sign, but doesn't prove anything by itself, since we've got a likely town cloak left.
When I got pressure from today, I was "defended" by 3 different people. Tequila said I copped town, Schnapps said he guided Tequila, and Cachaca said he RT'd Cider, getting Cognac as a result (and contradicting Mead, who said he RT'd Cider and got me as a result). If I'm mafia, that means there's only one other mafia member to vouch for me... meaning two townies spoke up on my behalf. Not only that, but the three who spoke up for me are three of the four most likely townies (with the other being Mead). Add all that together, and I think I have a pretty good case as town.

Meanwhile, we have a third (!!) claimed clue cop who hammered on the first mafia lynch long after it was clear he was going down, and has only lynched townies since then. Plus Sake's clue for ale the night before he died was "Originality." Leading me to believe that Ale is the Don as the original Arthur Conan Doyle character. Wouldn't be surprised if he had a town cloak, which would explain the copping even if Tequila wasn't misdirected.

My friend, as you yourself have said: when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Vote: Ale

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Jul 6, 2015 22:20:45 GMT -6 @gin said:

So this is a detective game, right? Let's deduce.

Me: Copped town on a night the cop was guided. Is a good sign, but doesn't prove anything by itself, since we've got a likely town cloak left.
When I got pressure from today, I was "defended" by 3 different people. Tequila said I copped town, Schnapps said he guided Tequila, and Cachaca said he RT'd Cider, getting Cognac as a result (and contradicting Mead, who said he RT'd Cider and got me as a result). If I'm mafia, that means there's only one other mafia member to vouch for me... meaning two townies spoke up on my behalf. Not only that, but the three who spoke up for me are three of the four most likely townies (with the other being Mead). Add all that together, and I think I have a pretty good case as town.

Meanwhile, we have a third (!!) claimed clue cop who hammered on the first mafia lynch long after it was clear he was going down, and has only lynched townies since then. Plus Sake's clue for ale the night before he died was "Originality." Leading me to believe that Ale is the Don as the original Arthur Conan Doyle character. Wouldn't be surprised if he had a town cloak, which would explain the copping even if Tequila wasn't misdirected.

My friend, as you yourself have said: when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Vote: Ale

Man, I'm even more sure you're mafia now.

Having townies "defend you" doesn't prove you're town.

The fact you want to lean on that?

And the fact that you're REALLY trying to throw folks off of cognac...come on.

Two mafia left? How do you know?

Because you're one of them and can't lose another one.

Textbook defense this late in the game.

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If you believe gin, ale was misdirected, so we have no idea who that clue points to.

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Jul 6, 2015 15:53:05 GMT -6 @tequila said:

Tequila copped gin as town
Schnapps guided Tequila
Cachaca RT'd Cider, result was Cognac
Mead RT'd Cider, result was Gin
Gin MD'd Ale
Bourbon RT'd Cognac, saw no one targeting him
Ale clue copped Cognac
Cognac ?

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Jul 6, 2015 22:37:52 GMT -6 @ale said:

Jul 6, 2015 22:20:45 GMT -6 @gin said:

So this is a detective game, right? Let's deduce.

Me: Copped town on a night the cop was guided. Is a good sign, but doesn't prove anything by itself, since we've got a likely town cloak left.
When I got pressure from today, I was "defended" by 3 different people. Tequila said I copped town, Schnapps said he guided Tequila, and Cachaca said he RT'd Cider, getting Cognac as a result (and contradicting Mead, who said he RT'd Cider and got me as a result). If I'm mafia, that means there's only one other mafia member to vouch for me... meaning two townies spoke up on my behalf. Not only that, but the three who spoke up for me are three of the four most likely townies (with the other being Mead). Add all that together, and I think I have a pretty good case as town.

Meanwhile, we have a third (!!) claimed clue cop who hammered on the first mafia lynch long after it was clear he was going down, and has only lynched townies since then. Plus Sake's clue for ale the night before he died was "Originality." Leading me to believe that Ale is the Don as the original Arthur Conan Doyle character. Wouldn't be surprised if he had a town cloak, which would explain the copping even if Tequila wasn't misdirected.

My friend, as you yourself have said: when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Vote: Ale

Man, I'm even more sure you're mafia now.

Having townies "defend you" doesn't prove you're town.

The fact you want to lean on that?

And the fact that you're REALLY trying to throw folks off of cognac...come on.

Two mafia left? How do you know?

Because you're one of them and can't lose another one.

Textbook defense this late in the game.

Not trying to throw folks off cognac at all. I think he's our best bet for your partner. If we decide we want to lynch him instead, I'll happily switch my vote.

And way to ignore the rest of the thought process behind having townies defend me. If they're town, they have no incentive to lie to protect me, and if they're telling the truth I was a) copped town and b) not targeting cider last night (cognac was, which is why I'm ok lynching him).

Two mafia would make 5, and it's pretty much the going assumption. Nice try though.

Care to address the fact that you're the third! clue cop or that Sake's clue for you was "Originality", which you initially tried to play off as a naive clue cop?

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We also have 12 hours left. Not a big need to rush.

Mead, what do you have from earlier in the game?

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Jul 6, 2015 22:40:59 GMT -6 @tequila said:

Jul 6, 2015 15:53:05 GMT -6 @tequila said:

Tequila copped gin as town
Schnapps guided Tequila
Cachaca RT'd Cider, result was Cognac
Mead RT'd Cider, result was Gin
Gin MD'd Ale
Bourbon RT'd Cognac, saw no one targeting him
Ale clue copped Cognac
Cognac ?

Hmm. Mafia has to have an MDer left, since Mead didn't end up targeting Cider. My best guess is that Cognac is the hitter and Ale is the MD, who's been making up clues (and pretty good ones). Question, though, how does his Rum clue point to Veronica Mars?

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Jul 6, 2015 22:46:55 GMT -6 @tequila said:

We also have 12 hours left. Not a big need to rush.

Mead, what do you have from earlier in the game?

Fine, fine.

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My dramatic flourish just worked so much better with a vote at the end of it...

I'm headed to bed, but I'd still like to hear from Cognac. I'm ok with a lynch on him or Ale at this point, though I prefer Ale.

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I'm not willing to believe that Mead and Cachaca are both mafia together. That means at least one of them is telling the truth. It also means only one of them could have been misdirected.

Either Gin or Cognac killed Cider. The question is, which one?

Gin, Ale, and bourbon's actions from last night fit together very well. Almost too well.

If Cognac killed Cider, who misdirected Mead? Or is Mead lying?

If Gin killed Cider, who misdirected Cachaca? Or is Cachaca lying?

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I'd like to trust both Mead and Cachaca since they both gave us Mafia. That would mean one of them was misdirected though, so the question is who is more likely to be MDed? I'd like to think Mead, but I am not sold on it.
I'm still convinced Ale is mafia and should be lynched first though.

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Jul 7, 2015 1:17:04 GMT -6 @schnapps said:

I'd like to trust both Mead and Cachaca since they both gave us Mafia. That would mean one of them was misdirected though, so the question is who is more likely to be MDed? I'd like to think Mead, but I am not sold on it.
I'm still convinced Ale is mafia and should be lynched first though.

Again. Don't know what else I can do here.

It sucks that I have a redundant role. I don't know why we have so many folks claiming clue cop. I don't even know if the Hardly boys really were.

Originality could mean 100 things. Look at the "Hardly Boys" results...honestly, they don't line up.

Why would he lie? I don't know. All I know is what I have and what I have given. Which is everything.

Which is way more than Cognac has given...and I have a clue telling me he's a Sherlock.

You guys lynch me and let him slide (along with his mafia partner) then it's another lost day.

If those saying they're fine with either me or Cognac, give me the benefit of the doubt and let's autopsy him and see what we come up with.

I'm willing to bet my game on him being mafia.

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Jul 2, 2015 23:47:16 GMT -6 @sake said:

Night 1: Didn't have a power night 1. I'm a back up clue cop. Got a power when the Hardy Boys died. I'm the Hardly Boys
Night 2: Targeted Rum. Got Planetary
Night 3: Targeted Absinthe. Got Modern.
Night 4: I was out of town that weekend and my battery died on my phone. Thread opened right as I was getting home. Didn't get a chance to submit.
Night 5: Targeted Ale. Got Originality.

Here are Sakes clues for discussion. "Planetary" definitely fits Veronica MARS. Not sure how "Modern" fits Johnny Lee Miller, but I could see "Originality" fitting the Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes, so there's that.

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I need to go, and I don't know if I'll make it back before the phase ends.
vote Ale
Every post he makes just screams mafia trying to obfuscate and get the town to do something stupid.
Another night gives us another opportunity to figure out the situation with Cognac tomorrow.

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Jul 7, 2015 2:52:27 GMT -6 @schnapps said:

Jul 2, 2015 23:47:16 GMT -6 @sake said:

Night 1: Didn't have a power night 1. I'm a back up clue cop. Got a power when the Hardy Boys died. I'm the Hardly Boys
Night 2: Targeted Rum. Got Planetary
Night 3: Targeted Absinthe. Got Modern.
Night 4: I was out of town that weekend and my battery died on my phone. Thread opened right as I was getting home. Didn't get a chance to submit.
Night 5: Targeted Ale. Got Originality.

Here are Sakes clues for discussion. "Planetary" definitely fits Veronica MARS. Not sure how "Modern" fits Johnny Lee Miller, but I could see "Originality" fitting the Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes, so there's that.

I look at that list and see three "clues" that are really easy to throw out there.

Planetary for Mars? What kind of "detective" wouldn't figure that one. I'm just saying in a game that has had cryptic enough write-ups coupled with the clues I've gotten, Sake's info is the stuff that doesn't fit this game to me.

No one bought it yesterday and yet here we are. I didn't expect him to flip town and that throws me, but remember your gut feeling yesterday...I am still clean today...

Couple that with info on Cognac, and their silence to boot? Just trying to ride out another day with no effort to stay? Seems scummier than me by a long shot.

Seems to me that Cognac has a partner, look back through the day and tell me who has really defended against his lynching and you'll find it.

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Jul 7, 2015 2:52:27 GMT -6 @schnapps said:

Jul 2, 2015 23:47:16 GMT -6 @sake said:

Night 1: Didn't have a power night 1. I'm a back up clue cop. Got a power when the Hardy Boys died. I'm the Hardly Boys
Night 2: Targeted Rum. Got Planetary
Night 3: Targeted Absinthe. Got Modern.
Night 4: I was out of town that weekend and my battery died on my phone. Thread opened right as I was getting home. Didn't get a chance to submit.
Night 5: Targeted Ale. Got Originality.

Here are Sakes clues for discussion. "Planetary" definitely fits Veronica MARS. Not sure how "Modern" fits Johnny Lee Miller, but I could see "Originality" fitting the Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes, so there's that.

Isn't Elementary set in the modern day?

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Jul 7, 2015 1:17:04 GMT -6 @schnapps said:

I'd like to trust both Mead and Cachaca since they both gave us Mafia. That would mean one of them was misdirected though, so the question is who is more likely to be MDed? I'd like to think Mead, but I am not sold on it.
I'm still convinced Ale is mafia and should be lynched first though.

You guided me copping Ale as town.  Why are you so sure he's not instead of Gin?

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So, my best guess at what's happening today is Ale distancing from Cognac. That way if either of them are lynched the other looks that much safer. The only other way I can make sense of today is if Mead is mafia, but he's led two mafia lynches so I just don't buy that.

Has everybody besides Cognac claimed a side? I know Bourbon claimed neutral. Trying to run through endgame scenarios here.

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I'm not neutral. I am town.

We need to make up our minds here, we're running out of time. I'm gonna look back through the threads to see if there is anything else that's useful to us.

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Jul 7, 2015 7:52:10 GMT -6 @gin said:

So, my best guess at what's happening today is Ale distancing from Cognac. That way if either of them are lynched the other looks that much safer. The only other way I can make sense of today is if Mead is mafia, but he's led two mafia lynches so I just don't buy that.

Has everybody besides Cognac claimed a side? I know Bourbon claimed neutral. Trying to run through endgame scenarios here.

Pretty sure everyone has claimed town.

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Jul 7, 2015 7:57:17 GMT -6 @bourbon said:

I'm not neutral. I am town.

We need to make up our minds here, we're running out of time. I'm gonna look back through the threads to see if there is anything else that's useful to us.

Yeah, sorry, for some reason I had it in my head you were the Great Mouse Detective.

So assuming there are 2 mafia left, that would make the breakdown 14 town / 3 Neutrals / 5 mafia. Does that seem right?

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I feel like Cognac is avoiding. No good fake claim at hand. I feel better about lynching Cognac, partly because of my results, partly because he's avoiding, partly because we have nothing on him.

I don't think Mead is mafia. At all. Just messed up results somehow, either me or him. Honestly, the more Gin talks the more I get a bad feeling.

By the way Mead, do you have any other results to share from other nights? Maybe I should look back to see if you've done that.

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So. I agree with Schnapps and think Ale is the best play here, but I'm also good with a Cognac lynch (have to think he's avoiding). As much as it pains me, I'm the third candidate (I feel I've laid out my case enough today). Looks like a busy morning at work, so I'll let Tequila decide. Hopefully it's on mafia and not on me.

leave vote: Tequila

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Sorry guys, I was busy with RL for a while and now doing this from the phone.

My main power is Coronor with a serie of OneShots. I actually thought a bunch of us would have at least a OS Copping, being detectives and all, so that's why I used mine N1. Problem is my Coronor power returned No Results for N2. Looking at the writeups of the kills, I actually think Mags had fun and made Will a Naive Coronor - the bodies have no clues for me to get info on the killer from. N3 I used my OS Track on someone who targeted me, so I trust them, and they're still alive. N4 I Coroner'd again and got No Results.

N5, I think I used a OS RB on... Cachaca, I think? Someone who I didn't believe. Last night, I RT'd Cider and got Gin.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm a Naive Coronor. If Mags made Will Graham's OneShots a series of Paranoid/Crazy results, too, I will be plenty annoyed... But also oddly amused. I'm gonna laugh if my OS Copping would have returned Mafia for everyone and I just fell ass-backwards into scum.

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I feel like it's Cognac and Gin...

Not that my word carries a ton of weight with half of you, but it make a lot of sense as I look at it more and more.

I'm an easy mark today...And I see who is taking the initiative and who is constantly steering away from Cognac, who we have a consensus is most likely scum anyway.

And that's Gin.

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Jul 7, 2015 8:28:22 GMT -6 @cachaca said:

I feel like Cognac is avoiding. No good fake claim at hand. I feel better about lynching Cognac, partly because of my results, partly because he's avoiding, partly because we have nothing on him.

I don't think Mead is mafia. At all. Just messed up results somehow, either me or him. Honestly, the more Gin talks the more I get a bad feeling.

By the way Mead, do you have any other results to share from other nights? Maybe I should look back to see if you've done that.

I'm not avoiding. The thread opened up after I got off of work yesterday and was busy and I just got time to check in now. I was trying to catch up before I said anything.

Aaaaalrighty then. I am Ace Ventura, Pet Detective.

I choose a player at night and if they are an animal I become a bodyguard for them. I obviously attempted to bodyguard Basil every night but I failed the night he died.
Never found the Scooby gang. Not sure if there are any other animals out there.

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Huh. Well, this is maddening.

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I like my vote.