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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 11:57:08 GMT -6
It's very clear we have people lying about Alignments. Even with 4 Unknowns (below), we have 17 roles claimed/dead as Town (including PGO Ultron). That's 61%. Here's my Unknown alignments:
Chicken - Claimed Doombot (unlikely IMHO), but probably Neutral.
Kangaroo - got nuthin' other than only 4 posts
Scorpion - Derfended Donkey hard.
Snake - Town'd by Monkey, but I don't trust Monkey. I think Spider vouched, but he could be SK.
If we assume Bear is Mafia, that's 5 Mafia, 18%...
Bear
Cow
Donkey
Goat
Lion
Probably only 2 Mafia left and SK. We actually may have a shot.
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Post by elephant on Aug 8, 2008 12:03:19 GMT -6
Elephant--know nothing about this guy, jumped on Bear's lynch train without saying anything else. That should say "Bear and Lion wantting Donkey to be investigate d makes it seem like they are also Runaways." This, combined with further suspicious behavior and one of our cop's claims are why I'm behind the Bear vote - I didn't just pop on to jump on the lynch train. |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -6
This, combined with further suspicious behavior and one of our cop's claims are why I'm behind the Bear vote - I didn't just pop on to jump on the lynch train. Elephant, I copped you as Town last night, but I think all of the First Pride have been accounted for. Just to be sure, please confirm you are not a Stein or Yorkes. Don't need a roleclaim, just trying to figure out where you land as Town. |
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Post by elephant on Aug 8, 2008 12:08:18 GMT -6
I am not a Stein or a Yorkes.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 12:38:54 GMT -6
You know what, I just realized something. Look at how Catharine Wilder died. Someone "deceptively strong" for their size. I bet you Topher the vampire is the serial killer, which means young Wilder could very well be the vig.
Given that there are no other pairs, I find it extremely unlikely that Monkey is old Geoffery Wilder. We have no repeats, except we get 3 Wilder parents? I was right about Monkey being the SK, I was just wrong about what character he is. He's definitely Topher.
Bear is mafia, but I really, really think that the serial killer should be our number one priority. I suppose we could lynch Bear and roleblock Monkey, but what if he can't be roleblocked?
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 12:43:15 GMT -6
Yeah, read night 2!
There is a vig kill, a SK kill, and a runaways kill.
The vig (young wilder) kills Leslie Dean (horse), which is quite clear in the writeup and corroborates what Spider said.
The runaways hospitalize Mrs. Minoru.
Swarm is attacked by someone and they "can't hurt each other", so Swarm agrees to leave town. Swarm could certainly hurt young wilder, but he could certainly NOT hurt Topher. This is the way that the SK "killed" Swarm, by making him leave town.
Topher is definitely the serial killer. Spider, I believe you.
I am believing Ox's claim over Monkey at this point. So do we vote of Bear or Monkey?
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 13:02:00 GMT -6
Also, I think we should coordinate targets. If we lynch Bear then we should roleblock monkey and vig kill Chicken, Kangaroo, or Scorpion.
I don't want the roleblocker to out themself (unless they're one of those three), but Spider if you let me know who you're killing tonight It'd be a great help.
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 13:24:45 GMT -6
Young Wilder? As far as I know, there is no such character:
Lynch Vote: Spider
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Post by monkey on Aug 8, 2008 13:38:58 GMT -6
Yeah, read night 2! There is a vig kill, a SK kill, and a runaways kill. The vig (young wilder) kills Leslie Dean (horse), which is quite clear in the writeup and corroborates what Spider said. The runaways hospitalize Mrs. Minoru. Swarm is attacked by someone and they "can't hurt each other", so Swarm agrees to leave town. Swarm could certainly hurt young wilder, but he could certainly NOT hurt Topher. This is the way that the SK "killed" Swarm, by making him leave town. Topher is definitely the serial killer. Spider, I believe you. I am believing Ox's claim over Monkey at this point. So do we vote of Bear or Monkey? Why would you believe that a character who is the leader of the pride would not be here? It would be like Cyclops not being in an X-men game. And yet you believe that a character who was conned into ressurecting the leader of the pride would be an effective cop. |
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Post by monkey on Aug 8, 2008 13:41:20 GMT -6
Young Wilder? As far as I know, there is no such character: Lynch Vote: SpiderBut there is. In the comics, he killed Gertrude. |
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 13:46:50 GMT -6
I find it hard to believe there are Two Geoffery Wilders in this game
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 13:48:35 GMT -6
Well you are talking quite a bit for someone who the Town is fairly sure is Mafia. Feel free to try and defend yourself with powers/targets, though...
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 13:51:59 GMT -6
I find it hard to believe there are Two Geoffery Wilders in this game Young Geoffery wilder is the vig. Topher is the SK. BTW, since Bear claimed Mr. Minoru I'm hoping that means he's Nico. She's the biggest threat to us right now, mafia wise. And Monkey, I don't think he's here because his younger version is here and because the 6 family members of the Pride have no repeats here. So that's why you're Topher and will hopefully be roleblocked and vig killed tonight, though you're probably immune to night kills. I'm really just waiting to hear back from Spider before I vote. |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 13:54:47 GMT -6
I was hoping we'd hear from Scorpion or Snake. One is Silenced. One is most likely Mafia. Both are suspicious. Monkey "copped" Snake. Scorpion defended Donkey.
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 13:58:17 GMT -6
The character isn't named "Young Wilder" It's Geoffery Wilder ressurected. My vote stands and if he proves to be Geoferry Wilder, than we should lynch Monkey since he'd be false claiming.
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 14:02:03 GMT -6
The character isn't named "Young Wilder" It's Geoffery Wilder ressurected. My vote stands and if he proves to be Geoferry Wilder, than we should lynch Monkey since he'd be false claiming. We're calling him Young Geoffery Wilder because resurrected Wilder came from 1985 and is, therefore, younger than the other Pride members in this case. Read the writeups. He quite CLEARLY is in this game and has shown up in several writeups. You on the other hand are just cementing yourself as mafia. The only question is whether or not we kill you or Monkey today. |
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Post by elephant on Aug 8, 2008 14:18:20 GMT -6
And Monkey, I don't think he's here because his younger version is here and because the 6 family members of the Pride have no repeats here. Do you have any other reason for presuming Monkey isn't who he says he is? Because the "no spouses" theory is just an assumption, and you know how Umption hates when you make an ass of him. |
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Post by monkey on Aug 8, 2008 14:22:46 GMT -6
I find it hard to believe there are Two Geoffery Wilders in this game Young Geoffery wilder is the vig. Topher is the SK. BTW, since Bear claimed Mr. Minoru I'm hoping that means he's Nico. She's the biggest threat to us right now, mafia wise. And Monkey, I don't think he's here because his younger version is here and because the 6 family members of the Pride have no repeats here. So that's why you're Topher and will hopefully be roleblocked and vig killed tonight, though you're probably immune to night kills. I'm really just waiting to hear back from Spider before I vote. You know what they say assuming don't you? Because you are assuming quite a bit. I really don't know if you are mafia or misguided town. And unfortuanatly, I probably won't ever know. If I had my way, I would investigate you tonight. But by everyone's reckoning, I will either be blocked or dead. |
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Post by elephant on Aug 8, 2008 14:24:56 GMT -6
You know what they say assuming don't you? Because you are assuming quite a bit. Is there an echo in here?  |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 14:34:43 GMT -6
Well, after doing a thorough review of the write-ups again, I feel comfortable with Spider's claim of Young Wilder, and his Vig claim. There was no Young Wilder kill on N1, but the same killer who killed Catherine on N3 killed Alex on N1. N2 sure looks like SK couldn't kill Swarm (makes sense, no blood), and N4 SK kills Lt Flores.
Note we have not seen how this SK kills their victims... Topher and sucking of blood is the likeliest of possibilities.
The fact Young Wilder didn't kill N1, and only "captured" Molly on N5 makes me think a Serial Killer is not his role. Now, what happens if Young Wilder actually sacrifices Molly? Who knows.
Also, be careful of Nico. From N4, it looks like Dog/Excavator actually targeted Nico that night, but was misdirected into Cat/Ultron (i.e. the comment he let the "boy" live the day before). Either actually misdirect, or defense mechanism.
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 14:36:16 GMT -6
The character isn't named "Young Wilder" It's Geoffery Wilder ressurected. My vote stands and if he proves to be Geoferry Wilder, than we should lynch Monkey since he'd be false claiming. We're calling him Young Geoffery Wilder because resurrected Wilder came from 1985 and is, therefore, younger than the other Pride members in this case. Read the writeups. He quite CLEARLY is in this game and has shown up in several writeups. You on the other hand are just cementing yourself as mafia. The only question is whether or not we kill you or Monkey today. Clearly you are nuts. That's like have Spider-man from 1985 and Peter Parker as two seperate roles in the same mafia game. |
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 14:55:14 GMT -6
We're calling him Young Geoffery Wilder because resurrected Wilder came from 1985 and is, therefore, younger than the other Pride members in this case. Read the writeups. He quite CLEARLY is in this game and has shown up in several writeups. You on the other hand are just cementing yourself as mafia. The only question is whether or not we kill you or Monkey today. Clearly you are nuts. That's like have Spider-man from 1985 and Peter Parker as two seperate roles in the same mafia game. Clearly you are not knowledgeable about Runaways/not paying attention. 1st of all, I'm the one who thinks that Monkey is lying and is not Geoffery Wilder. Therefore, I think only one Geoffrey exists and it's his younger version. Why do I think this? Like I said, TRY READING A WRITEUP: "Gene Hayes was getting worried. It was probably due to years of persecution as a mutant, but he did not trust humans. He did not trust his fellow Pride members and he did not trust their children. Molly was so young and who knows what those other kids were up too. Molly needed to be raised in a mutant household and taught mutant values by her mutant parents. Just then, he heard a knock on the door. Using his mental powers, he did a quick scan to see who it was. When he realized the identity of the intruder, he did not even turn around. While human, this man was one of them. But something was wrong. The only memories this man had were from years ago. He was missing at least 20 years of memory. Turning around, Gene looked into the eyes of the man. “But…how? How is it possible that…” Gene was never allowed to finish. The man had pulled out a gun and shot the mutant in the head. Satisfied the, man left." CLEARLY the young version of Geoffrey Wilder making a vig kill. |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 14:59:03 GMT -6
Clearly you are nuts. That's like have Spider-man from 1985 and Peter Parker as two seperate roles in the same mafia game. And clearly you have not been paying attention. Go ask your mafia brethren.Young Geoffrey Wilder was a foil for the Runaways for an entire arc. Young Wilder has appeared on N2 & N4, most likely N5 (Spider, have you confirmed you are the one who "killed" Molly?) Doctor: protect either Spider or Me. If we have a reverse tracker, I think Spider is the better target as the Mafia may try and Roleblock him at the least. |
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 15:02:58 GMT -6
I don't know the Runaways apart from wiki and marvel.com. But I maintain there is only one Geofery Wilder so
Lynch Vote: Monkey[\b]
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Post by bear on Aug 8, 2008 15:03:29 GMT -6
Lynch Vote: Monkey
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 15:05:56 GMT -6
Clearly you are nuts. That's like have Spider-man from 1985 and Peter Parker as two seperate roles in the same mafia game. And clearly you have not been paying attention. Go ask your mafia brethren.Young Geoffrey Wilder was a foil for the Runaways for an entire arc. Young Wilder has appeared on N2 & N4, most likely N5 (Spider, have you confirmed you are the one who "killed" Molly?) Doctor: protect either Spider or Me. If we have a reverse tracker, I think Spider is the better target as the Mafia may try and Roleblock him at the least. I'm tending to agree with this. I think Bear is Nico, so when we lynch him we can just roleblock monkey and one way or another that should clear him. Monkey if you're actually another cop and not the SK you won't mind getting roleblocked tonight to clear yourself. This way our vig can target kangaroo, our doctor can protect Spider and our RTer can target Ox. Sound good with everyone? |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 15:07:39 GMT -6
I may be mistaken, but I think this is the vote count:
Bear(5): Spider, Giraffe, Elephant, Ox, Monkey
Spider(2): Rabbit (old vote), Turtle (getz is asleep)
Monkey(1): Bear
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Post by rabbit on Aug 8, 2008 15:07:41 GMT -6
Lynch Bear
Monkey one way or another you should be cleared by being roleblocked tonight.
Chicken--has someone copped him yet?
Elephant
Kangaroo--should be vig killed
Scorpion--should be copped
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 15:13:07 GMT -6
This way our vig can target kangaroo, our doctor can protect Spider and our RTer can target Ox. Strike, reverse that. I think the RT should target Spider/Vig. They'd probably send out their roleblocker on him. Doc can do either of us. |
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Post by ox on Aug 8, 2008 15:19:57 GMT -6
That's 6 of 7. I don't think Turtle will get back before the day ends, so we'll need a a seventh. Snake and Scorpion have been MIA/silenced.
Cat or Chicken... looking at you.
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